[48:19] So, on the very last slide and we're limited here to one promotional slide, but that is exactly what Anonos and our BigPrivacy technology does and what we're here to talk to you about today with Alison and with IEEE is that 5G opens up new opportunities for data use, but it has to be done in a privacy preserving way. It is possible. The GDPR anticipates that, supports it, and encourages it. So, the capabilities and opportunities that 5G makes available can be fully utilized. You just have to do things differently and embrace the data stewardship best practices that the GDPR provides. So, with that, we will open it to questions. We appreciate your time and your questions.
Peggy Matson (Washington University)
[49:03] Gary and Alison, that was fabulous. Thank you. Okay. Heading off to questions. So, the first one: “Great discussion of GDPR and the Pseudonymisation technology underneath. Talk to us a little bit about the US environment.” And we have folks on the WebEx here from around the world. But we've got one question from the US. Put your questions in please for others. We don't have the equivalent in the US today. But what do you foresee happening in the US regulatory?
Gary LaFever (Anonos)
[49:36] I'll take a shot at that. And then, I’m very interested to get Alison's perspective. There's a couple of things, and the first thing to realize is the GDPR is extraterritorial in scope. What I mean by that is it's not dependent on a company having operations in the EU. In fact, if data is processed related to an EU resident and by that I mean someone that at the time of the processing is in the EU, so it actually could be a US citizen that at the time of the processing is in the EU and that processing involves data related to that person's activities in the EU, your subject also. So, most companies actually will be subject to the GDPR if people are even going to their website from the EU and accessing and processing information about them as part of the process. Secondly, any data related to a single EU resident can bring a company within the purview of the GDPR. So, a lot of the companies that we work with which tend to be very large financial institutions or medical organizations, they deal with expats - US citizens who are overseas. So, the first thing you just have to realize is that GDPR is very pervasive in its scope and jurisdiction.
[50:48] Secondly, we have already seen that the GDPR is being embraced by global companies as the standard and it's very difficult and expensive for them to have different approaches to data protection and different jurisdictions. So, they're embracing it globally. And lastly, issues like the recent Facebook-Cambridge Analytica issue have raised the specter that even something is not illegal per se that the public outcry from misuse of information where too much of identifiability was provided is pretty compelling. So, in summary, the GDPR is something not to be ignored. It's actually to be embraced whether the government in the US will move to a GDPR type protective scheme, I can't predict. I actually think it will, but it will take time. And I think it will be the industry itself who moves that direction to show that it's a best practice because data is international in scope and it doesn't know jurisdictions. But Alison, please, I'd love to get your perspective.
Dr Alison Knight PhD (University of Southampton)
[51:48] Yeah, it's a really interesting question as you say. I would refer to the 2014 White House Podesta report, which is actually called big data but it's extracting value and protecting rights. So, effectively, this is recognizing the whole creative potential of big data and saying: “How do we protect rights?” And I've heard a great speaker called Daniel Wiser, who was a White House Adviser on privacy, and his mission about technology by design as an embedding in privacy protection into the very use flows. So, I really see that coming from obviously a different legislative set of rules but I actually see as Gary said that it's going to coalesce with our own unique way for Europeans, a very particular way and things are different in the US, but actually, I think they're going to go with this. And this is underpinned as well, as Gary mentioned, the GDPR is the gold standard that has this international impact everywhere - Australia, Canada, they're all based on this principles based system.
[52:57] And now, if you look at the rules in the Privacy Shield. So, this is the big adequacy decision that applies between the EU when there was flowing of data between the EU and the US. They are principles based as well. And so, I can only see that people are suddenly going to tweak that we can achieve the same compliance. It's all about compliance and demonstrating accountability and auditing in the same way that we look at our accounts. This is the way things are going. Data ethics and showing to people that you're doing things right. This is a great reputational. It’s about getting trust with your customers and it goes beyond even GDPR. It just makes sense in terms of the right data management and producing that data management report and putting into your corporate social responsibility. This is the future and how more important that is when moving into the world of 5G which is so exciting in the Internet of Things. But you know, if you get it wrong, you're going to end up in a problem. So, yeah, I remain very optimistic about the future.
Peggy Matson (Washington University)
[54:14] Good. Thank you. In the few minutes we have left, let's talk a little bit about the technology. So, Pseudonymisation, what's the level of deployment in the market today?
Gary LaFever (Anonos)
[54:25] Yes, so the level of deployment of Pseudonymisation today is for the most part in offline historical analysis because it's the easiest to implement. So, if you think about it, the way that we talk to customers is if your data use is legal, keep it the way it is. And so, we call that the transaction lane. Why people gave you data was for the transaction that they had in mind. Typically, contract and consent. When you step out of the transaction lane is when you start to do profiling or anticipatory analysis or general statistical analysis. That was not the reason that data was initially collected. And so, the ability to use that data for analytics purposes and for predictive purposes that's outside of what again we refer to as the transaction lane, that's a very easily and readily implemented implementation of Pseudonymisation.
[55:18] The more advanced forms of Pseudonymisation are currently being pursued but they're less evident. And that is as I go forward and I actually put it into the internal workings of my existing operations. So, the easiest implementation is making a distinction between that data that was collected for a transaction and is used to support the transaction versus that data that's being used for general analytics in question. And so, the reality is, those both are very key and it comes again. “Do you even have the legal right, so that you can make use of the data?” And one of the biggest issues again is most data use has historically been through broad based consent. That's the biggest shock to people. At midnight on May 24th, data that was collected in the past legally and used in the past legally based on broad based consent may actually be illegal to possess or process on May 25th going forward.
Peggy Matson (Washington University)
[56:20] So, give me an example of broad based consent. Get really clear on broad based consent.
Gary LaFever (Anonos)
[56:23] Yup. So, how many of us? It's all of us have clicked on an “I agree” when you sign on to a website or when you downloaded an application, and it's pages and pages of terms and conditions written in legalese that none of us read, but you can't go forward, you can't download the software, and you can't use the service without saying “I agree.” That's broad based consent. The reality is what the GDPR insists upon is that the data subject was in the position to clearly without ambiguity specifically understand everything you told them you were going to do and acknowledge and agree to it and that their use of the service or product wasn't conditioned on the agreement. Because if you condition the agreement to terms it’s not actually consensual. And so, what is used across the board today as the fundamental legal basis for data processing now needs to be turned on its head that it's only what you can describe to me at the point in time with specificity that I can even legally consent to. Other than that, it's not an effective legal basis.
Peggy Matson (Washington University)
[57:23] Yeah. Well said. I know in the IEEE and I'm a volunteer for IEEE but I worked with some folks that are full time and there’s a lot of activity to be compliant with GDPR. It’s quite a game changer.